Outcome of a fight between Shiva and Vishnu
The intense debate on the respective strength and powers of Shiva and Vishnu has always be a sore point among the followers of Shiva and Vishnu. There are various stories, contained in Hindu Mythology about the triumph of Shiva over Vishnu and vice-versa. These myths have most probably originated from the age old rivalry between the followers of Shaivism and Vaishnavism or the Shaivites and Vaishnavites.
The most popular myths are the epic victory of Krishna over Shiva and the victory of the Sharabha Avatar of Shiva over the Narasimha Avatar of Vishnu. In my opinion, there is little merit in these myths, which most probably were a result of the one-upmanship between Shaivites and Vaishnavites. The end purpose of these myths was to prove the strength and powers of their favored deities.
So, when Vishnu and Shiva are one and the same, how can there be a fight, war or duel between them and what can be the possible outcome, when on fights oneself.
There are are many Vedic Verses, which predate the rivalry between Shaivites and Vaishnavites that explain in clear terms that Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same, irrespective of their different forms.
The more popular of these Vedic verses, which, I have described in this post can easily answer the questions given below, which serve no purpose other than dividing Hindu Society and creating imaginary difference.
Who is more powerful Shiva or Vishnu?
Outcome of a fight between Shiva and Vishnu?
Who has more powers Shiva or Vishnu?
Who is the most the most powerful God in Hinduism?
Shiva or Vishnu Worship, which is more Beneficial?
The simple meaning of this Sanskrit Vedic Verse can be taken to be - Vishnu is the all encompassing Shiva and Shiva is the all inclusive Vishnu, they exist is each others hearts, they are found in the same place, if you have found one of them you have found the other, there is no difference between them, they are the same.
Some other related articles on the strengths of Shiva and Vishnu can be seen here -
The Most Powerful Hindu Gods
Mantra of Shiva who is Dear to Vishnu
The most popular myths are the epic victory of Krishna over Shiva and the victory of the Sharabha Avatar of Shiva over the Narasimha Avatar of Vishnu. In my opinion, there is little merit in these myths, which most probably were a result of the one-upmanship between Shaivites and Vaishnavites. The end purpose of these myths was to prove the strength and powers of their favored deities.
So, when Vishnu and Shiva are one and the same, how can there be a fight, war or duel between them and what can be the possible outcome, when on fights oneself.
There are are many Vedic Verses, which predate the rivalry between Shaivites and Vaishnavites that explain in clear terms that Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same, irrespective of their different forms.
The more popular of these Vedic verses, which, I have described in this post can easily answer the questions given below, which serve no purpose other than dividing Hindu Society and creating imaginary difference.
Who is more powerful Shiva or Vishnu?
Outcome of a fight between Shiva and Vishnu?
Who has more powers Shiva or Vishnu?
Who is the most the most powerful God in Hinduism?
Shiva or Vishnu Worship, which is more Beneficial?
Some other related articles on the strengths of Shiva and Vishnu can be seen here -
The Most Powerful Hindu Gods
Mantra of Shiva who is Dear to Vishnu
Whom will Hanuman support in this fight?
ReplyDeleteAll those people who fight on this topic want to prove only themselves superior than the other sect and not lord
ReplyDeleteIf it was so then there would not have been hari hara avtar lord shiva in hanuman form and lord vishnu in parshuram form presented a perfect example of Bhakti to the other
They are one and same
All gods are part of shakti who is in her materialistic form is maa Durga and adi shakti in shakti roop from which all have taken materialistic form for people to understand
शैव और वैष्णव मतों के बीच मनमुटाव तुलसीदासजी के समय मे भी चरम पर थI.उन्होने समन्वयक की भूमिका निभाते हुए राम के साथ शिव को भी मान्यता दी .बालकांड के प्रारंभ मे ही उन्होने सरस्वती,गणेश की वंदना के बाद दूसरे श्लोक मे भवानी और शंकर की वंदना की .6 वें श्लोक मे उन्होने राम की वंदना की .राम से कहलवाया भी है कि यदि मेरा भक्त शिवद्रोही है,तो वह मुझे प्रिय नही है .राम से संबंधित मानस मे रुद्राष्टक की रचना शैव और वैष्णव दोनो संप्रदायों के प्रति समदृष्टि है .
ReplyDeleteयहाँ शरभ अवतार का उल्लेख आया है .भगवान शंकर के अवतारों मे छठा अवतार है -शरभावतार .इसमे भगवान का स्वरूप आधा मृग का था,तथा शेष शरभ
ReplyDeleteपक्षी (आख्यानो मे वर्णित आठ पैरों वाला शक्तिशाली जन्तु )का था .भगवान विष्णु के नृसिंहावतार ने हिरण्यकश्यप का वध किया था .वध के बाद भी जब
उनकी क्रोधाग्नि शांत नही हुई ,तब देवताओं के अनुरोध पर शिव ने शरभावतार लिया और नृ सिंह की
स्तुति की .इस पर भी जब नृसिंह की क्रोधाग्नि शांत नही हुई ,तो शरभ उन्हे अपनी पूंछ मे लपेटकर ले उड़े .नृसिंह का क्रोध शांत हुआ और उन्होने क्षमायाचना कर शरभ की स्तुति की .
You asked a very intelligent question no doubt
ReplyDeleteWell hanuman ji will support Himself
I've heard that Lord Shiva meditates on Vishnu ji and Lord Vishnu prays to Shiv ji. Correct me if am wrong.
ReplyDeleteEvery god respect each other
DeleteLord shiva meditates on lord narayan who resides in his heart and lord vishnu meditates on lord shiva who resides in his heart
Truth
DeleteActually, there is a spiritual meaning to these fights ... Shiva and Vishnu, here represent two aspects of the same supreme conciousness that we are all trying to reach. The stories are easy ways to remember which aspect shoud prevail in different conditions
ReplyDeleteBefore, we take a look at the details, please remember both the aspects are required equally in reaching the supreme state of sachidananda. And you can choose to start with any one, and you will reach the other, and once we have both we will be firmly situated in the divine.
Now, for the explanation... Vishnu (the all pervading one), represents the bhakti - or the way of surrender. Shiva (the one who is not) represents the Gyaan - or the way of true knowledge.
So, how do these work?
Bhakti, means total surrender - Once you surrender, you start seeing that the same force is everywhere - including inside yourself and hence you reach the state of knowledge that all is one, and this is in essence the knowledge aspect of Shiva...
If you start with search for knowledge, you will surely reach the final knowedge that everything in the universe is the same energy, and at that point in time, you will feel surrender to the same energy ... there by reaching the domain of vishnu
If you read the above words, that says Shiva is in Vishnu's heart (or core) and Vishnu is in Shiva's heart .. It simply means that once a person reaches the core of the path they have taken, they find the other path right there ...
Now for the question, Why do Shiva and Vishnu fight (even in mythologies) - Its simple, its when one reaches the core, but due to the ego, doesnt realize the other path there and becomes equaminous, then the other path needs to be forced - so that the yoga (or unison) is complete, thats the fight ..
It also represents, our fight - Should we choose surrender, should we choose knowledge - to start with ... I am sure a lot of readers of this site have shuttled between these emotions.
Now, for a few examples - Consider the fight between Veerabhadra and Vishnu, during the Daksha yagna - There Daksha was performing a yagna, but he did so, without equanimity in the heart - He had bhakti, but knowledge was missing ... Veerabhadra had to force that in him, by cutting his head ... Vishnu was not defeated in that, his core needed to come out and overpower the surface
Same thing happened in the sharabheshwar vs vishnu fight -
In the fight where vishnu won, the Banasura fight, Banasura, had started with the knowledge path, however his ego did not absorb the knowledge properly and he did not learn surrender, so krishna had to beat that into him.
Anycase, the above are simply my views and I dont intend to hurt any ones feelings and my apologies if I have menaged to hurt any one.
Let there be peace and harmony
Is that true goddess kali mata gave her darshan to Tenali Ramakrishna? Or is it just story?
ReplyDeleteWhich mantra did he recite?
I have read through your article and I was satisfied with the good information that you have contributed to your article! Thanks a lot for that beneficial article!
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House is same but the doors are many. From my understanding purana are meant only to develop bakti over ishta-deveta and go deep into it. Thank you
ReplyDeleteGandaberunda was a folklore addition not in main puranas. Sharabha pacified Narasimha and Vishnu returned to his abdose after peace was restored. What is the need for Vishnu taking another form as peace was restored. It would be a tamasic move just like Hiranyakashipu picking a fight to prove a point.
ReplyDeletein power lord shiva is superior
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